Date: 09-13-05 and 09-20-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Reba
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
I hope you succeed. It's ridiculous that the same course can require two different certifications. It also says a lot that your principal did not support you and you tried to resolve the situation in the past! I hope you have success in raising the issue statewide and terminating the dual standards!
CS is under Math in Virginia! There is CS certification! You can find out what you need at this URL: http://www.pen.k12.va.us/VDOE/Compliance/TeacherED/nulicvr.pdf If you're interested, let me know, and I'll send you the application forms. Have a good week, REBA
20 September 2005
15 September 2005
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
Date: 09-15-05 4:55PM
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica Bragg
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
yes Jane S. Whitehurst
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica Bragg
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
yes Jane S. Whitehurst
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
Date: 09-15-05 4:55PM
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica Bragg
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
So we need to delete the Business from the license? Jessica Bragg, Licensure Administrator
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica Bragg
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
So we need to delete the Business from the license? Jessica Bragg, Licensure Administrator
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
Date: 09-15-05 4:26PM
To: Jessica Bragg
From: Jwhitehurst
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
I have been arguing my position with the state. They hired me only to teach math this year (no business ed) and I am still discussing the matter of picking the computer back up with June Atkinson.
Jane S. Whitehurst
To: Jessica Bragg
From: Jwhitehurst
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
I have been arguing my position with the state. They hired me only to teach math this year (no business ed) and I am still discussing the matter of picking the computer back up with June Atkinson.
Jane S. Whitehurst
License Extension for the 05-06 school year
Date: 09-15-05 2:10PM
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica Bragg
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
I hope the school year is going well for you. In researching your license I find that I have not received your 6 semester hours to extend your North Carolina teaching license for the 2005-2006 school year. In order for us to make sure you remain on the teacher pay scale I will need an official transcript reflecting your credits as soon as possible.
If you hold a provisional area on your North Carolina teaching license and currently not teaching in that area, please send a letter or e-mail requesting that the area be deleted from the license.
Please contact me if you have questions. I am here to help you resolve this matter and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Note: Please send official transcripts , no computer printouts.
Thanks.
Jessica Bragg, Licensure Administrator
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica Bragg
Re: License Extension for the 05-06 school year
I hope the school year is going well for you. In researching your license I find that I have not received your 6 semester hours to extend your North Carolina teaching license for the 2005-2006 school year. In order for us to make sure you remain on the teacher pay scale I will need an official transcript reflecting your credits as soon as possible.
If you hold a provisional area on your North Carolina teaching license and currently not teaching in that area, please send a letter or e-mail requesting that the area be deleted from the license.
Please contact me if you have questions. I am here to help you resolve this matter and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Note: Please send official transcripts , no computer printouts.
Thanks.
Jessica Bragg, Licensure Administrator
08 September 2005
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Date: 09-08-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: AW
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
And we wonder why NC can't keep teachers?!?!?! They keep making so hard TO teach that noone CAN teach. Geesh!! This is one of the most asinine things I've heard of to date.
AW
To: Jwhitehurst
From: AW
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
And we wonder why NC can't keep teachers?!?!?! They keep making so hard TO teach that noone CAN teach. Geesh!! This is one of the most asinine things I've heard of to date.
AW
07 September 2005
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Date: 09-07-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Kathy
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
The bureaucracy of the public school system is sometimes absolutely unbelievable. I guess Sarah Fix's job has been filled? I've had the pleasure of attending some workshops with you and wish you the best of luck in finding another CS position.
Kathy
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Kathy
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
The bureaucracy of the public school system is sometimes absolutely unbelievable. I guess Sarah Fix's job has been filled? I've had the pleasure of attending some workshops with you and wish you the best of luck in finding another CS position.
Kathy
06 September 2005
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Date: 09-06-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Chris Stephenson, CSTA
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Hi Jane,I saw your email from the AP listserv and received another copy from Rich Lamb from CSTA's Standards and Certification Committee and I must tell you that unfortunately, I am not surprised at your situation. Teacher certification for computer science across the country is a complete and total mess and your story is typical of what we are hearing from many teachers in different states.Right now CSTA is in the process of trying to find out what the certification requirements are for each state. We have been in contact with every state and have tracked down the person who is supposed to be responsible for certification. Our plan is to create a database with all of the requirements and contact information for every state and make this available to all CSTA members. We are well aware that this is just a first step, but until people can figure out what is actually required, we cannot begin to try to push for a saner system.I am so sorry to hear that you have been caught in the middle of this mess. Usually they at least give you a clear indication of what will be required to receive a permanent license in a given area at the time the provisional license is granted. Did they not even do this?I wish I could tell you that CSTA has some kind of solution right now, but CSTA is still less than 1 year old and we are frantically trying to collect all the pieces of data. I can promise you, however, that we will continue to work on this, because it is the right thing to do and because stories like yours (about good teachers being frustrated by the politics of licensing) just make me crazy!Chris
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Chris Stephenson, CSTA
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Hi Jane,I saw your email from the AP listserv and received another copy from Rich Lamb from CSTA's Standards and Certification Committee and I must tell you that unfortunately, I am not surprised at your situation. Teacher certification for computer science across the country is a complete and total mess and your story is typical of what we are hearing from many teachers in different states.Right now CSTA is in the process of trying to find out what the certification requirements are for each state. We have been in contact with every state and have tracked down the person who is supposed to be responsible for certification. Our plan is to create a database with all of the requirements and contact information for every state and make this available to all CSTA members. We are well aware that this is just a first step, but until people can figure out what is actually required, we cannot begin to try to push for a saner system.I am so sorry to hear that you have been caught in the middle of this mess. Usually they at least give you a clear indication of what will be required to receive a permanent license in a given area at the time the provisional license is granted. Did they not even do this?I wish I could tell you that CSTA has some kind of solution right now, but CSTA is still less than 1 year old and we are frantically trying to collect all the pieces of data. I can promise you, however, that we will continue to work on this, because it is the right thing to do and because stories like yours (about good teachers being frustrated by the politics of licensing) just make me crazy!Chris
05 September 2005
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Date: 09-06-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Kel
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Jane,That sucks. What a bunch of morons. Wish I had a solution for you.Hope you are doing well otherwise.Keep fighting!Kel
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Kel
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Jane,That sucks. What a bunch of morons. Wish I had a solution for you.Hope you are doing well otherwise.Keep fighting!Kel
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Date: 09-05-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Hi Jane,I'm not sure from you message whether you're interested in pursuing a non-provisional license with NC or not. I'm sure there is a process for that if you do. However, you may want to check in to the independent schools (http://www.ncais.org) and community colleges in NC. In these schools, qualification is usually determined by the degrees and experience rather than licensure status. Jessica
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Jessica
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Hi Jane,I'm not sure from you message whether you're interested in pursuing a non-provisional license with NC or not. I'm sure there is a process for that if you do. However, you may want to check in to the independent schools (http://www.ncais.org) and community colleges in NC. In these schools, qualification is usually determined by the degrees and experience rather than licensure status. Jessica
04 September 2005
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Date: 09-04-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Rich
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Hi Jane,Confidentially, if NC is not an option, I'd suggest looking at other states and then seek reciprocity.A story: Many years ago I received a permanent certificate from Massachusetts; the punch card (!) on which it is printed reads, "for the life of the holder".When I moved to Michigan, the state gave me a provisional certificate based upon my Massachusetts certification. Three years later, they sent a letter informing me the provisional certificate has expired, and gave a long list of what I needed to do to renew it.I sent a copy of the Massachusetts certificate to Lansing, having circled the words, "for the life of the holder", and indicating I wasstill alive. I received a permanent certificate from Lansing. While permanent certificates are rare these days, the basic idea of using state A to get state B and then on to state C still works.One last thought: In Michigan, CS is an "emergency" area, and one does not need the specific endorsement as long as the school district indicates it needs the person.Good luck!Rich
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Rich
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
Hi Jane,Confidentially, if NC is not an option, I'd suggest looking at other states and then seek reciprocity.A story: Many years ago I received a permanent certificate from Massachusetts; the punch card (!) on which it is printed reads, "for the life of the holder".When I moved to Michigan, the state gave me a provisional certificate based upon my Massachusetts certification. Three years later, they sent a letter informing me the provisional certificate has expired, and gave a long list of what I needed to do to renew it.I sent a copy of the Massachusetts certificate to Lansing, having circled the words, "for the life of the holder", and indicating I wasstill alive. I received a permanent certificate from Lansing. While permanent certificates are rare these days, the basic idea of using state A to get state B and then on to state C still works.One last thought: In Michigan, CS is an "emergency" area, and one does not need the specific endorsement as long as the school district indicates it needs the person.Good luck!Rich
response to AP listserv announcement
Date: 09-04-05
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Becky
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
I totally agree with you! I also was frustrated with WCPSS. I had applied to teach (part time) a computer science course as a lateral entry candidate. I was not nearly as qualified as you are for teaching. I am a laid-off software engineer -contemplating potential new careers--- teaching being one. I interviewed but the job kept being posted, so I inquired and was told they were holding out for a certified business person, if at all possible. Needless to say, I didn't get that job. Raleigh Charter High School did hire me to teach two computer science jobs. I thoroughly enjoyed my classes. My AP students did very well on the test. Not being a "professional" teacher, I'm sure that I could do better -but getting a business certification license is totally uninteresting to me. I would prefer teaching math over business classes. Raleigh Charter High School doesn't seem to care that I'm not certified; however, teaching 1 or 2 classes is not enough. So, along with teaching 1 class this year (not enough students to justify an AP class this year), I am going to nursing school. I wish you luck in getting things changed in North Carolina! If there is anything I can do, let me know.
Becky
To: Jwhitehurst
From: Becky
Re: response to AP listserv announcement
I totally agree with you! I also was frustrated with WCPSS. I had applied to teach (part time) a computer science course as a lateral entry candidate. I was not nearly as qualified as you are for teaching. I am a laid-off software engineer -contemplating potential new careers--- teaching being one. I interviewed but the job kept being posted, so I inquired and was told they were holding out for a certified business person, if at all possible. Needless to say, I didn't get that job. Raleigh Charter High School did hire me to teach two computer science jobs. I thoroughly enjoyed my classes. My AP students did very well on the test. Not being a "professional" teacher, I'm sure that I could do better -but getting a business certification license is totally uninteresting to me. I would prefer teaching math over business classes. Raleigh Charter High School doesn't seem to care that I'm not certified; however, teaching 1 or 2 classes is not enough. So, along with teaching 1 class this year (not enough students to justify an AP class this year), I am going to nursing school. I wish you luck in getting things changed in North Carolina! If there is anything I can do, let me know.
Becky
02 September 2005
AP listserv
Date: 9-02-05
To: AP listserv
From: Jane Whitehurst
I was certified computer science in Wisconsin.
I moved to North Carolina in 2001.
The school I taught at in NC had computers in the math department.
The administration fanegelled (sp!) a NC math license for me.
I moved schools (within the same district) because I didn't want the IB route.
The new school has computers in the business department.
I was granted a one year provisional for business license.
During the year I fought all the way to the Senate but to no avail.
My business license provisional expired and now I can only teach math.
My fannegelled license is now more powerful than
1. undergrad in computer science, teaching minor
2. grad in computer science education
3. WI license to teach computer science
4. 3 years experience high school computer science in WI
5. 2 years college experience teaching computers
6. 3 years computer science teaching in NC
7. pacing guide/curriculum designer for NC
So, here I teach math (prealgebra, algebra 1 part 1, and tech math 1) and watch a business-licensed teacher (no java/c++ experience) teach the computer science courses.
Where do I go next?
Please help. I've going CSTA and wondering what they are doing for certification of computer science in states that just put it wherever they want. Jane S. Whitehurst
To: AP listserv
From: Jane Whitehurst
I was certified computer science in Wisconsin.
I moved to North Carolina in 2001.
The school I taught at in NC had computers in the math department.
The administration fanegelled (sp!) a NC math license for me.
I moved schools (within the same district) because I didn't want the IB route.
The new school has computers in the business department.
I was granted a one year provisional for business license.
During the year I fought all the way to the Senate but to no avail.
My business license provisional expired and now I can only teach math.
My fannegelled license is now more powerful than
1. undergrad in computer science, teaching minor
2. grad in computer science education
3. WI license to teach computer science
4. 3 years experience high school computer science in WI
5. 2 years college experience teaching computers
6. 3 years computer science teaching in NC
7. pacing guide/curriculum designer for NC
So, here I teach math (prealgebra, algebra 1 part 1, and tech math 1) and watch a business-licensed teacher (no java/c++ experience) teach the computer science courses.
Where do I go next?
Please help. I've going CSTA and wondering what they are doing for certification of computer science in states that just put it wherever they want. Jane S. Whitehurst
get involved with CSTA
Date: 9-02-05
To: ACM
From: Jane Whitehurst
My main focus for joining was to get involved with CSTA. I have been a computer science teacher for 7 years, and now because of NCLB (No Child Left Behind) I've had to either take business courses to recertify (not going to happen) or teach math (I guess it's a job). Anyway, because I'm teaching only math now, I don't need to receive continual email. I'll get it all on the web. How can I get off of the listservs?
Jane
p.s. any news on NC certification for computer science?
To: ACM
From: Jane Whitehurst
My main focus for joining was to get involved with CSTA. I have been a computer science teacher for 7 years, and now because of NCLB (No Child Left Behind) I've had to either take business courses to recertify (not going to happen) or teach math (I guess it's a job). Anyway, because I'm teaching only math now, I don't need to receive continual email. I'll get it all on the web. How can I get off of the listservs?
Jane
p.s. any news on NC certification for computer science?
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